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[starr75]

:cheers

Hello all,

I am new to this site. It came highly recommend. I look forward to great conversations and debate. I thought I would just say hi and introduce myself.

starr75

[Justin6898]

Welcome to P&CA!
How'd you hear about it?

:wave

-Justin

[starr75]

I was at a watch party for the debate and someone told me about the site.

Starr75

[sir digalot]

Welcome to P&CA! happy posting

[goddesscon]

Welcome to the forum ....:wave
Good to have a new voice here at P & CA....
Don't let any of our regs drive you off....we have an excellent site here...loads to learn and a few of us ready to read...
welcome and post away :D

[sir digalot]

if they do annoy you, there is a very useful ignore feature, now if only we can use that in REAL Life :lol

[starr75]

LOL thanks for the advice. I try not to ignore people but to give them the opportunity to express their views whether I agree or not. That is one of the fundemental rights of our nation. However, I will use it is needed. LOL

starr75

welcome ...

put me on ignore now to save yourself some crap if your a liberal, hate bush type :)

[starr75]

Wow. Do u mean some people hate Bush? Wow thats new. Well he is perfect as he so elequently admitted no mistakes in the debate. And we all know that Sadam would have some day years and years from now built WMD so that was a good reason to ignore the weapons being built in Iran and North Korea and have hundred of our soldiers killed. Wait why were they there again? Oh and the economy is doing better because we have 1.9 million more jobs, they aren't new jobs, and they pay crap, and no health insurance, and let's not talk about the fact that he is the first administration since Hoover to loose jobs in total. ( Did you know that when they calculate jobs and employment you only need to work for one hour. Now that will pay the bills.) But I find it hard to believe that anyone could not like Bush? Isn't there so much to admire and like about him?

starr75 :soap

[ninjalooter1701]

Wow. Do u mean some people hate Bush? Wow thats new. Well he is perfect as he so elequently admitted no mistakes in the debate. And we all know that Sadam would have some day years and years from now built WMD so that was a good reason to ignore the weapons being built in Iran and North Korea and have hundred of our soldiers killed. Wait why were they there again? Oh and the economy is doing better because we have 1.9 million more jobs, they aren't new jobs, and they pay crap, and no health insurance, and let's not talk about the fact that he is the first administration since Hoover to loose jobs in total. ( Did you know that when they calculate jobs and employment you only need to work for one hour. Now that will pay the bills.) But I find it hard to believe that anyone could not like Bush? Isn't there so much to admire and like about him?

starr75 :soap
YOUR RIGHT!

[Keptin_Kat]

:eek WOOHOO Welcome to the board starr75! AWESOME way to begin posting. You go! :yay Hope to see you in other threads.

[potter]

Wow. Do u mean some people hate Bush? Wow thats new. Well he is perfect as he so elequently admitted no mistakes in the debate. And we all know that Sadam would have some day years and years from now built WMD so that was a good reason to ignore the weapons being built in Iran and North Korea and have hundred of our soldiers killed. Wait why were they there again? Oh and the economy is doing better because we have 1.9 million more jobs, they aren't new jobs, and they pay crap, and no health insurance, and let's not talk about the fact that he is the first administration since Hoover to loose jobs in total. ( Did you know that when they calculate jobs and employment you only need to work for one hour. Now that will pay the bills.) But I find it hard to believe that anyone could not like Bush? Isn't there so much to admire and like about him?

starr75 :soap


:D Great writing style.....

[elalumno]

But I find it hard to believe that anyone could not like Bush?

A succinct point has been made. Not liking him is one thing, hating him is another. There is a lot of hate here, including against Kerry, which is showing how unhealthy our political system has become.

[potter]

But I find it hard to believe that anyone could not like Bush?

A succinct point has been made. Not liking him is one thing, hating him is another. There is a lot of hate here, including against Kerry, which is showing how unhealthy our political system has become.

Can't argue with that.

[Dave]

A succinct point has been made. Not liking him is one thing, hating him is another. There is a lot of hate here, including against Kerry, which is showing how unhealthy our political system has become.

You may be right El. But I truly believe many are justified in hating the current administration. They hardly have been advocates for world peace now have they?

[elalumno]

Disagreement and anger can be and are essential items in politics. Hatred, as seen all to often on the threads (not just on this board) is unhealthy. It often is either irrational or leads to irrational thoughts.

All one has to do is look at many of the political boards and see the hatred. Kerry/Bush is Hitler....Kerry/Bush is a coward...So and so is a mass murderer...and on and on.

Both candidates have more than enough failings in their policies to go after.

[Dave]

Both candidates have more than enough failings in their policies to go after.

I agree. Although to some extent I can understand the anger the current incumbent administration and that of the UK administration receive.

After all they are responsible for sending someones sons/daughters/brothers/sisters/daddys/mummys to their death in Iraq for a war the reasons which it was waged we were lied to about.

[Neko]

Hatred, as seen all to often on the threads (not just on this board) is unhealthy. It often is either irrational or leads to irrational thoughts.
That is pretty damn good. I'd adopt it as a sig if I could be bothered to find out how to do it.
:/
That's just about my main objection to hating people- it stops you from thinking clearly, and leads you to gather evidence to fit your theory, rather than gather theories to fit your evidence. Also, really hating your enemies allows you to let the end justify the means, which so often turns you into what you hated in the first place.

[Die Allerbeste]

That's just about my main objection to hating people- it stops you from thinking clearly, and leads you to gather evidence to fit your theory, rather than gather theories to fit your evidence.

But what if it's the evidence that makes you hate them? :/

[Neko]

The more it snows the more it goes on snowing.
- A. A. Milne

When you find something to turn your judgement against someone, suddenly the vast majority of the evidence that follows will confirm your theory. Partly bacause no one likes to be proved wrong, but mainly because no one likes to think that they are blowing here and there in the breeze of their own intuitions. The opinionated media can be blamed to a certain extent, since it enables one to criticise the source rather than the information (And why not? Journalists are far from omniscient), but really, people have a whole lifetime's worth of experience pushing them forward to whatever conclusion it has chosen, and they will always base their reactions on what they have known to be true in the past. By this, I do not mean experience, or even cynicism, which is necessary for judgement, but old perceptions, such as 'neocons are evil' or 'the UN is useless' or even 'the sky is blue'.
And of course, the truth and even the evidence itself remains subjective. If you choose to believe that, for instance, that Saddam Hussein had WMDs, in your world he did, indeed, have them.
Besides, even if your enemy is evil (though, naturally, I would not presume to make such a judgement, I know a lot of people, who are probably a great deal more moral than I am, would not hesitate from dividing the world into two camps), hating him is inefficient, it will make you angry and cloud your judgement. If you are lucky it will only could your judgement and prevent you from dealing with him in the best of all possible ways, if you are unlucky it will give him another advantage to add to the one that is automatically conferred upon him by the fact of his being evil, and you will not be able to face up to him at all.

This whole thing makes my head ache, but then I have just polished off three or four glasses of Bordeaux.

[Neko]

The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume that I am being pretentious.

I like this one, too.