Enron scandal and the President

[LocalBrew]

Enron and the President ......

This is an interesting bit of information that you don't hear much about in the media ---

a. Enron's chairman did meet with the president and the vice president in the Oval Office

b.. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over three years.

c.. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration festivities.

d.. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times.

e.. The corporation had access to the administration at its highest levels and even enlisted the Commerce and State Departments to grease deals for it.

f.. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import Bank subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction. Scandalous!

g.. BUT...the president under whom all this happened WASN'T George W. Bush.




It was Bill Clinton!
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[ninjalooter1701]

Enron and the President ......

This is an interesting bit of information that you don't hear much about in the media ---
a. Enron's chairman did meet with the president and the vice president in the Oval Office
b.. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over three years.(420.000 to Clinton?
c.. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration festivities. (Bush's festivities)
d.. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times.
e.. The corporation had access to the administration at its highest levels and even enlisted the Commerce and State Departments to grease deals for it.
f.. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import Bank subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in just one transaction. Scandalous!
g.. BUT...the president under whom all this happened WASN'T George W. Bush.
It was Bill Clinton!

As for your NOTE D:
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/28/12723.shtml
Enron and Bill Clinton
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, Feb. 28, 2002
Trade Trips to Russia, India, Bosnia and Indonesia
I must admit to an error in my most recent article on the Enron scandal. Lovers of ex-President Bill Clinton will be overjoyed to find that Enron's top exec Ken Lay did not stay at the White House 11 times.

This was exposed as a LIE over 2 years ago, and Secret Agent LB is still perpetuating it as true?

As for your NOTE C:
IT was a donation of 100.000 to BUSH.
In addition to Lay's political campaign donations, he and his wife contributed $100,000 to Bush's 2001 inauguration. Lay also was a fund-raiser for Bush, bringing in at least $100,000 for Bush's 2000 campaign. That put Lay in "Pioneer" status as one of the president's top money-raisers.
LINK: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/bush.lay.ap/index.html
Got a link for your "information," LB? You've already posted misleading and FALSE information. Do you verify what you read, AGENT LB, or do you just swallow it like Bush Jizz?

Let's look at some facts about Enron and GWB. Enron has fallen...
1. WASHINGTON, March 11, 2004 — A small number of donations by employees of the credit card giant MBNA Corp. last month was enough to unseat Enron as President George W. Bush's top career donor. The Delaware-based company has given Bush $605,041 over his career, while Enron ($602,625) slipped to second.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/bop2004/report.aspx?aid=220

A more recent Center study about the Enron scandal found that eight of the company's employees who have been indicted by the federal government have personally donated to the various Bush campaigns—including former chief executive Jeffrey K. Skilling.

Bush's largest donor from Enron remains longtime friend and former chief executive officer Kenneth Lay. He and his family have given the president $139,500 over the years, which accounts for almost a quarter of Enron's contributions to Bush. Lay is under investigation but "is the only top executive in the major corporate scandals who has not been indicted," according to the Wall Street Journal.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay1.html
View above for Bush/Lay links, including facsimiles of handwritten notes.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bushlay2.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/bush.lay.ap/index.htmlWhite House Denial http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/08/bush.lay.ap/index.html


How many more LIES will you post, Local Brew?

[thaanatos]

and thus we know that Lay likes Bush.....now, please tell me what Bush did wrong.......

[LocalBrew]

Nope. On this post I will stand firm. You liberals can wallow in your own slime. I will stand behind every word I said.

Now go ahead and prove me wrong. Perhaps you can get Joseph Wilson to prove me wrong.

[ninjalooter1701]

Nope. On this post I will stand firm. You liberals can wallow in your own slime. I will stand behind every word I said.

Now go ahead and prove me wrong. Perhaps you can get Joseph Wilson to prove me wrong.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/28/12723.shtmlEnron and Bill Clinton
Charles R. Smith
Thursday, Feb. 28, 2002
Trade Trips to Russia, India, Bosnia and Indonesia
I must admit to an error in my most recent article on the Enron scandal. Lovers of ex-President Bill Clinton will be overjoyed to find that Enron's top exec Ken Lay did not stay at the White House 11 times.
Too bad your words were proven wrong years ago, by NEWSMAX nonetheless.

Agent Local Brew, do you ever tire of the humilitation that you inflict upon yourself? Have you NO PRIDE? No integrity?

[LocalBrew]

While having his "Willie" serviced in the Ovary Office Bill Clinton reportedly said he never had SEX while on the JOB! With a Cuban cigar in his mouth and a little white mouth on his born with cigar he showed us all what a powerful, decisive, morale leader he was.

[ninjalooter1701]

While having his "Willie" serviced in the Ovary Office Bill Clinton reportedly said he never had SEX while on the JOB! With a Cuban cigar in his mouth and a little white mouth on his born with cigar he showed us all what a powerful, decisive, morale leader he was.
You missed the 2 posts where we showed that you posted lies, LocalBrew. Is this the Republican "personal responsibility" that we are seeing here?

[Jayne B]

*yawn*

There is nothing new about Bush's Enron connections, not even that determined Bush supporters try to pretend they don't exist despite heavy documentation and frequent publicity... nor that, when reasonable people don't buy their guff, they fall back on 'but Clinton got a blow job'.

Let's wait for Ken Lay's trial, folks.... or for Cheney's eventual imprisonment for contempt of court for failing to turn over the Energy Task Force Papers.... THEN you'll have a whole new batch of ammo.

[thaanatos]

nor that, when reasonable people don't buy their guff, they fall back on 'but Clinton got a blow job'.
but Jayne, I am giving you a clear opportunity here.....besides accepting a legal campaign contribution, what did Bush dooooooooooo......

[sir digalot]

Bush did nothing, but then again concerning Enron, neither did Clinton as has already been proven.

I am a little confused as to how, as usual, this ends up as Clinton got a blow job.

Since the first post was not correct it stood corrected by another poster, eveidently what happened after that was, a direct, misguided, and pointless attack at clinoton who's affairs regarding the affair had little if nothing to do with campain contributions and a link to enron.

It is interesting though to see how people immediatly find another way to attack, when their first means were disarmed.

[jpn of Seattle]

What did Bush do? Very little, while the energy industry was bilking the public in California, Oregon, and Washington with an manufactured energy "shortage."
The Bush Admin sat on their hands doing nothing while their friends, including "Kennie Boy" Lay stole money from citizens.
The Bush Admin had Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney convene an energy task force, whose members were personnally vetted by "Kennie Boy Lay" to "investigate" why energy prices were so high in California. They found that Surprise! the high prices were due to "excessive" environmental regulation!

When our elected officials are partners in crime with thieves, liars, and swindlers, don't be too surprised when you get lied to, burgled, and swindled.

That's what Bush does.

[thaanatos]

What did Bush do? Very little, while the energy industry was bilking the public in California, Oregon, and Washington with an manufactured energy "shortage."
The Bush Admin sat on their hands doing nothing while their friends, including "Kennie Boy" Lay stole money from citizens. [quote]

are you alleging, then, that Bush was aware of what Lay was doing to manufacture an energy shortage before Enron folded? Interesting claim...devoid of evidence and, probably, of fact...but interesting....why don't you try to find some support for that contention....

[quote]The Bush Admin had Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney convene an energy task force, whose members were personnally vetted by "Kennie Boy Lay" to "investigate" why energy prices were so high in California. They found that Surprise! the high prices were due to "excessive" environmental regulation!

the bastards! You mean they actually had a task force to establish an energy policy and they had the nerve to solicite information from people actually engaged in the business.....my, oh my, how could they have been so evil!

energy deregulation is, in fact, a good idea....just not the way that California did it (de-regulate the supply side, but not the demand side - i.e. its okay if energy companies can be charged more for the product they are selling, but the increased cost cannot be passed on to the consumers)...this made local energy companies sitting ducks for Enron as a supplier to the suppliers....Davis and his librull legislators created the sandbox that Enron played in, not Bush....

When our elected officials are partners in crime with thieves, liars, and swindlers, don't be too surprised when you get lied to, burgled, and swindled.

[jpn of Seattle]

are you alleging, then, that Bush was aware of what Lay was doing to manufacture an energy shortage before Enron folded? Interesting claim...devoid of evidence and, probably, of fact...but interesting....why don't you try to find some support for that contention.... \

Finding evidence of what the Bush Administration knew and didn't know is very difficult, thanks to the unending efforts of the Bush Administration. Groups have been trying to get details about the energy task force for years and the Bushies have employed armies of their favorite trial lawyers to avoid public disclosure of their activities.

[jpn of Seattle]

the bastards! You mean they actually had a task force to establish an energy policy and they had the nerve to solicite information from people actually engaged in the business.....my, oh my, how could they have been so evil!

They had the nerve to establish their energy policy without regard to all of the various concerns engendered by that policy. The Bushies have blinders--they only create policy to fit their narrow, self-serving vision without regard to wider implications.
They understand money and power. Period.

[jpn of Seattle]

energy deregulation is, in fact, a good idea....just not the way that California did it (de-regulate the supply side, but not the demand side - i.e. its okay if energy companies can be charged more for the product they are selling, but the increased cost cannot be passed on to the consumers)...this made local energy companies sitting ducks for Enron as a supplier to the suppliers....Davis and his librull legislators created the sandbox that Enron played in, not Bush....

A bit of common wisdom among conservative zealots is that deregulation is always a good thing.
I am not aware of many examples of deregulation working out well.
I am aware a several examples of this being a complete disaster.
The savings and loan deregulation debacle cost US taxpayers over a hundred billion dollars.
The energy deregulation debacle cost west coast energy users billions of dollars.

[jpn of Seattle]

....Davis and his librull legislators created the sandbox that Enron played in, not Bush....

The deregulation scam was signed into law in 1996 by Governor Pete Wilson, Republican.

[jpn of Seattle]

Enron had lobbied heavily for deregulation in California and in other
states, as well as at the federal level. Lay and his company were the biggest donors to President Bush in the presidential campaign, and Ken Lay was reputed to have been granted veto authority over who would become energy officials in the new administration.

May 16, 2001 – Bush Administration decrees national energy shortage and
announces results of secret task force: relaxation of environmental rules, more oil drilling in preservation lands and more nuclear power plants.

The great myth of the California energy crisis – that the state’s energy capacity was unable to meet business and consumer demand for the electrons – was the silver bullet for the energy industry. This myth enabled the energy industry to blame gluttonous Californians and an archaic regulatory regime that had previously prevented the energy industry from filling the supply-demand gap.
It absolved deregulation and price gouging from any responsibility for the crisis. After reviewing the data, however, the myth falls apart.

[jpn of Seattle]

Those seeking to understand California’s energy crisis might simply rent the Western classic, “The Magnificent Seven.” In that film, a group of outlaws come to a peaceful Mexican town, and they proceed to plunder the town, which has no law enforcement. Finally, the townspeople recruit and deputize a group of gunslingers to protect them from the outlaws.
The movie ends with the bloody eradication of the outlaws. But in the Wild
West of deregulated California, the ending may well be different.
When the utilities, the energy industry and the industrial users of electricity went to Sacramento in 1996, they succeeded in bribing state lawmakers to get rid of the laws that had regulated electricity and protected Californians for eighty years.
Then they proceeded to pillage the defenseless state. By mid-2001, a new group of elected officials determined to stop the outlaws. But they did not eradicate the outlaws. They let them get away, head for the hills.
California’s energy crisis has subsided – for now. But unless strong measures are taken, the outlaws will be back for more.

[thaanatos]

A bit of common wisdom among conservative zealots is that deregulation is always a good thing.
I am not aware of many examples of deregulation working out well.
I am aware a several examples of this being a complete disaster.
The savings and loan deregulation debacle cost US taxpayers over a hundred billion dollars.
The energy deregulation debacle cost west coast energy users billions of dollars.

classic librull false arguments....in both instances, what the perpetrators did continued to be against the law....AFTER deregulation......that is why people went to jail....

[thaanatos]

The deregulation scam was signed into law in 1996 by Governor Pete Wilson, Republican.

okay, then...Wilson and his librull legislators......

[thaanatos]

May 16, 2001 – Bush Administration decrees national energy shortage and
announces results of secret task force: relaxation of environmental rules, more oil drilling in preservation lands and more nuclear power plants.

there is a national energy shortage, particularly in fossil fuels and our reliance on foreign imports.....we should increase drilling in Alaska, we should resume investigation of safer nuclear energy plants....and many environmental rules are ridiculously restrictive....

The great myth of the California energy crisis – that the state’s energy capacity was unable to meet business and consumer demand for the electrons – was the silver bullet for the energy industry. This myth enabled the energy industry to blame gluttonous Californians and an archaic regulatory regime that had previously prevented the energy industry from filling the supply-demand gap.

and that 'myth' was perpetrated by a private company, not by the federal government....though I suspect there are worlds of truth in the concepts of 'gluttonous Californians' and 'archaic regulatory regimes'

It absolved deregulation and price gouging from any responsibility for the crisis. After reviewing the data, however, the myth falls apart.
so far you have made no case that the 'deregulation' had any connection with the fraud of Enron.....you seem to gloss over the fact that Enron has ceased to exist and that its officers are going to jail under laws that continue to exist after 'deregulation'

[thaanatos]

the outlaws will be back for more
though, unlike the magnificent seven.....this new crop of librull legislators are hardly reformed from their own outlaw outlook and are just as likely to rape and pillage California as the energy companies.....

[jpn of Seattle]

so far you have made no case that the 'deregulation' had any connection with the fraud of Enron
Nor have I "made a case" for the sun rising in the morning.

'gluttonous Californians'
...are the second most efficient energy-users in the nation.

[jpn of Seattle]

you seem to gloss over the fact that Enron has ceased to exist and that its officers are going to jail under laws that continue to exist after 'deregulation'

Enron officers are going to jail because of the energy crisis in California? I think not. I think they are going to jail because they cooked their accounting books in myriad ways. None of the criminal charges, as far as I am aware, directly relate to the artificial energy shortages in California.

Enron has ceased to exist because they lost money at catastrophic rates while hiding the fact from investors. This has nothing to do with deregulating the energy industry in California.

[thaanatos]

Nor have I "made a case" for the sun rising in the morning.
you should try.....you would have a better chance at making a believable argument....

[ninjalooter1701]

Nor have I "made a case" for the sun rising in the morning.
you should try.....you would have a better chance at making a believable argument....
Thaanatos, you seem to get bitch-slapped by a different person every day. Perhaps a new posting-id is in order...

[thaanatos]

ninja, its not polite to call SeeLittle a bitch.....