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goddesscon
07-12-2004, 12:59 AM
Campaign incites '2 warring nations'

The venomous conflict of the 2004 presidential election, which has pushed leaders to surprising new levels of partisan hostility, has spread to ordinary Americans.

Intolerance of political differences is growing, expert observers said. And while Republican and Democratic activists both deplore the trend, each side blames the other.

"The anger, in my opinion, is due to [President] Bush and his policies and his inability to articulate them," said Bob Mulholland, a Democratic national committeeman from California. "The other team has a player we all hate, and we're going to take it out on that team on the field."

Countered Republican Tom Korologos, a lobbyist just sworn in as U.S. ambassador to Belgium: "The Democrats have made the president the devil, and you can't pummel him, or anybody, for that length of time without repercussions in Toledo and Salt Lake and Bakersfield."

Some consequences are right out of "Romeo and Juliet."

"Republicans don't want their daughters dating Democrats, and Democrats don't want their daughters dating Republicans," Mulholland said.

The level of intensity is reflected in the number of voters already identifying themselves as "strongly" for Bush or Sen. John Kerry, the presumed Democratic nominee, said Republican Ed Goeas and Democrat Celinda Lake. The two collaborate in producing the Battleground Poll for George Washington University.

"Normally, 'strong' voters run at 33 percent of a candidate's support, not the 40 percent we're seeing now," Lake said.

Goeas also points to the proportion of people who say they are "extremely likely" to vote: "It usually runs between 67 and 70 percent. The highest I ever saw it was 70 percent. This year we have 78 percent saying they are 'extremely likely' to vote."

In past elections, one side or the other has expressed intense feelings about the stakes or choices. "What I think you have for the first time is both sides being intense at the same time," Goeas said.

"We've become two warring nations," agreed independent pollster John Zogby. "The same incivility we have been experiencing within Washington in the last decade has spread out and we are seeing it nationally now.

"What the vice president said was emblematic," Zogby continued, referring to Dick Cheney having used an obscenity in an exchange with Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., late in June on the Senate floor.

Bush supporter Stanley Mills, a Leesburg, Va., businessman, said he is troubled by the tone of debate among his friends, neighbors -- even within his family.

"I was talking to my brother-in-law just last week -- he's for Kerry -- and he got so mad I had to tell him that if we can't discuss politics without getting upset and angry, we'll just have to quit," Mills said. "I think it's very disturbing you can't discuss differences of opinion without it evolving into a shouting match."

Bush is a measurably polarizing figure. Republican Bill McInturff of the polling firm Public Opinion Strategies uses an "intensity range" to show that public attitudes are significantly stronger on this president than they were on President Clinton in 1996 or Bush's father, former President Bush, in 1992.

When McInturff adds the percentage of Democrats who strongly disapprove of Bush (69 percent) to the percentage of Republicans who strongly approve of him (68 percent), the "intensity range" is 137 percent -- almost double the 72 percent range for the elder Bush. The range for Clinton (in this case, Republican disapproval added to Democratic approval) was 92 percent.

"It's stunning. I have never in my life seen these kinds of numbers on the level of intensity on both sides," McInturff said. "We are seeing the largest gap in American history in approval and disapproval by party. The level at which people are locking in is without precedent."

Walking in Washington's Lafayette Park across from the White House on a recent afternoon, Jean and Lee Bondurant, tourists from the suburbs of Seattle, said they feel the unfamiliar tension among friends and neighbors. They blame the president.

"I don't like Bush," said Lee Bondurant, a political independent who was laid off from his job at Boeing in 2002 and now teaches computer-aided drafting to college students. "Because he ain't got no smarts. Just listen to the way he speaks. He's damaging our country's image in the world. I think he was put in office by his father."

For the opposing view, listen to Alabama state Republican Chairman Marty Connors:

"I think the average voter is beginning to sense that there is a cultural conflict going on in the country. It goes back to taking prayer out of school, and the federal judiciary getting increasingly proactive, perhaps overstepping its bounds. The 9th Circuit in San Francisco saying we've got to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance. The American Civil Liberties Union attacking cities for having a cross on official emblems and shields. ...

"I think the left really dislikes George Bush, and I think on our side we like him. So the end result is, 'Hey, you're picking on my brother here -- back off or I'll punch you in the nose.' It's real."

Pollster Zogby said "Fahrenheit 9/11," the anti-Bush film by Michael Moore, has fed the frenzy.

"The smugness of the audience in the theaters was breathtaking when I went to see it," he said. "The lack of appreciation for the other side. It's been a long time since hostility has been as deep as it is. It's a fever pitch, and it's bad for the country."

Ed Grefe, a Republican specialist in grass-roots mobilization who teaches at George Washington University's Graduate School of Political Management, also sees an angry battle over values. "Pro-Bush forces accuse the president's political critics of an anti-patriotic attitude. Democrats believe we have been lied to as a nation," he said.

In this heated atmosphere, civility has no chance. "I saw a bumper sticker the other day that said, 'Bush Is Creating Enemies Faster Than We Can Kill Them,'" Grefe said.

(7/11/2004)
- By Miles Benson, The Patriot-News


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kramsret
07-12-2004, 01:08 AM
"The Democrats have made the president the devil, and you can't pummel him, or anybody, for that length of time without repercussions in Toledo and Salt Lake and Bakersfield."

AN effing moron, who can't recall just four years ago the 24/7/365 pummeling of Clinton.

In fact, the "pummeling" that Bush is receiving is not even half as bad as the shitstorm these right wing assholes conjured up.

And Clinton did his job. Bush isn't.