Breaking: Kerry picks Edwards

[alnusur]

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/06/politics/campaign/06CND-KERR.html?hp

From the NY Times
Formal Announcement Is Scheduled for This Morning
By ADAM NAGOURNEY

Published: July 6, 2004



Associated Press
Sen. John Edwards challenged Mr. Kerry for the Democratic nomination earlier this year.




Senator John Kerry today chose Senator John Edwards to be his running-mate, turning to the North Carolina Democrat whose strong campaign skills and engaging personality made him the top choice of many Democratic leaders, Mr. Kerry's aides said this morning.

Mr. Kerry, the Democrat from Massachusetts, was preparing to call Mr. Edwards this morning as part of an elaborate roll-out plan that is to begin with an e-mail to supporters later this morning and a formal announcement by Mr. Kerry at a rally in Pittsburgh.

In selecting Mr. Edwards, Mr. Kerry passed over Representative Richard A. Gephardt of Missouri, a veteran Democrat from Washington, and Governor Tom Vilsack of Iowa, among others.

In making the decision, Mr. Kerry chose a relatively new face to American politics, and a man who was Mr. Kerry's longest-lasting major rival in the Democratic presidential contest. Mr. Edwards is a first-term senator from North Carolina who stayed in the Democratic primary through the first week of March.

Democrats, in pushing Mr. Kerry to select Mr. Edwards, argued that his campaign skills would bring a needed jolt of energy to Mr. Kerry's ticket, and provide a dramatic contrast with Vice President Dick Cheney.

[kramsret]

And goodbye, George Duh-bya!

Back to your Bush Davidian compound outside Waco!

[Silver]

Don't crow too quickly. Edwards did not even carry South Carolina in the Primaries. John McCain has also just made a new campaign ad for Bush. He has a lot of influence with the Vietnam Vets here.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123679,00.html

And the latest Polls show Bush ahead of Kerry right in Teresa's backyard of PA. This one will be interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124787,00.html

[thaanatos]

I think one thing is clear.....the Clinton's do not believe Kerry has a chance of beating Bush....or Hillary would be the VP....

[Francois Cellier]

I think, Edwards is a good choice.

Edwards created a lot of visibility for himself in the primaries, he has the charisma that Kerry lacks, and may hopefully push a few Southern states over to the Democratic ticket.

Until now, we have seen that Kerry got ahead not on his own strenghts, but on Bush's weaknesses, i.e., Bush was the most effective campaigner for Kerry. Kerry, on the other hand, seemed unable to capitalize effectively on any of these weaknesses. He is stiff as a wash-board, and about equally imaginative.

Edwards surely adds badly needed spice to the Democratic ticket!

[suedanim]

Edwards campaigned so strong for President, this can only catapult Kerry right into the Oval Office. Edwards is smart, popular, well spoken, well informed, big critic of the gw admin and handling of the terror wars and the Iraq war.

I agree with you Francois... Edwards is free to say what Kerry may hold back on and will add tremendously to the whole dynamics of this race for the Presidency. Edwards is a man I'd have no problem as 2nd chair to the President, very able to take the lead role if necessary. Best of all, he comes with no industry ties, no hidden skeletons.. no health issues, he's young and full of spit and vinegar. I like it!

[suedanim]

I'm loving it! And a homeboy too from NC!

Edwards did not even carry South Carolina in the Primaries.

Edwards is not from SC, if thats what you meant. He's from North Carolina. BIG difference between the two states. I am SURE the people of NC are loving this.. 'cept the Jesse Helms and Elizabeth Dole crowd.

Edwards campaigned so strong for President, this can only catapult Kerry right into the Oval Office. Edwards is smart, popular, well spoken, well informed, big critic of the gw admin and handling of the terror wars and the Iraq war.

I agree with you Francois... Edwards is free to say what Kerry may hold back on and will add tremendously to the whole dynamics of this race for the Presidency. Edwards is a man I'd have no problem as 2nd chair to the President, very able to take the lead role if necessary. Best of all, he comes with no industry ties, no hidden skeletons.. no health issues, he's young and full of spit and vinegar. I like it!

[suedanim]

oops

[sinterest]

I'm loving it! And a homeboy too from NC!

Yeah Baby! Go heals!

[suedanim]

Hey sinterest.. you see I screwed up my post. I didn't realize Edwards was actually born in SC... but as far as I'm concerned.. he's a Tarheel through and through. After all he adopted US! And aren't we glad to have him? We can forgive his mistake of birth and carry on.

:D

[Justin6898]

I think one thing is clear.....the Clinton's do not believe Kerry has a chance of beating Bush....or Hillary would be the VP....
Agreed. I think Republicans can now count on the Clinton Machine doing everything it can to keep Kerry from being elected.

On Edwards...hmm...I think he probably was one of the better choices. Here are some points to think about, though.

1. Because Kerry chose Edwards, the one that was most expected, the Buzz in the media will not last as long, though Kerry's poll numbers are likely to take a big leap for a few weeks.

2. Though he will sway many Southern Voters (I know several who said if Kerry chose Edwards they would vote for him), I doubt it will help him win any Southern States.

3. Look at this picture, they look like they're in LOVE!
http://img32.exs.cx/img32/4446/kerry-edwards.jpg

4. Now look, they're going in for the kiss!
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5961/kerry-edwards2.jpg


PRICELESS!

-Justin

[CheezieDanish]

Wonderful! :D

[Justin6898]

I hope that Edwards doesn't find out about Kerry's affair with Dick, though.

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/3569/kerry3.jpg


:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

-Justin

[goddesscon]

I think I am going to vomit...
This crap about the Clintons not wanting Kerry as president... what a load of utter BS...
One thing I can say for certain is...NO ONE KNOWS EXCEPT FOR THE CLINTONS...
Until you pundits out there become one of the Clintons you are all just spouting assumptions...
I think Kerry picking Edwards was a great move...and now the Republicans are scared...
plain and simple... you have an East coaster and a southerner...the west will go for the southern boy and the midwest will go for the East coaster...
Scares the shite out of the Rep party...
I voted for Edwards even though when the primaries came to illinois..Kerry was the pick.. so at least in the fall I can vote for who I wanted in the first place...
Edwards is indeed an excellent pick.. by the time kewrry is done being president we will have a trained VP to step in as president...
I still feel hilary does not want to be president..besides..America is not ready for a first man...erm I mean a femalw president...

[Francois Cellier]

America is not ready for a first man.

Of course, we are not ready!

We don't even have a proper name for him. After all, we never talk about a First Woman. It is always the First Lady.

So, what could Bill be called, other than First Man?

... thinking hard ...

Should it be a First Chevalier? ... No, can't be. Sounds too much French. We can't give the French that much.

Should it be First Cavalier? ... No, that sounds too much like First Adulterer ... maybe suitable to describe Bill Clinton, but not for the job title in general.

Should it be First Sire? ... No, Bill restricted his affairs to blow jobs only. In that way, you don't sire anyone.

... I am at a loss, but First Man just sounds too trivial and unelegant ...

So indeed, America is not ready for a female president, not ready at all ... ;)

[CheezieDanish]

The Edwards-Cheney debate is gonna rock, Old and Busted vs. New Hotness. :yay

[Justin6898]

Indeed, I can't wait to see the debates. We'll see how Cheney holds up against Edwards.
-Justin

[CheezieDanish]

Maybe, if we're lucky, he will leave for health reasons right after. :lol

[CheezieDanish]

As it stands now, Kerry looks to win the traditional Democratic strongholds such as California and New York - the biggest states in the country - and other battlegrounds such as PA, IL, and OH: states that have lost hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs since Bush took office, and who are correctly blaming the administration for screwing them over.

Now enter Edwards into the picture. He is a charismatic young senator from North Carolina. NORTH CAROLINA, PEOPLE! TOBACCO ROAD! You'd think an elephant would fly before a Democrat would get elected to high office there. (Haha get it? Elephant? GOP?...never mind...)

The point is that he can possibly deliver enough southern states to tip the scale.

And as for Kerry critics...many of you think that his flip-flopping on issues makes him a poor choice for President. Ladies and gentlemen, what's worse: changing your stance on trivial domestic issues, or LYING TO THE COUNTRY ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION or maybe GOING AFTER THE WRONG GUY FOR SEPTEMBER 11 WITH EVIDENCE STARING YOU IN THE FACE?

You know, I was all for the war on Iraq (for a bit anyway.) I thought, hey, we can do this. We can win hearts and minds and do it right. We didn't. We FUCKED UP. We screwed up the occupation. We could have done this with far less bloodshed and international anger and we didn't. Now worldwide sympathy has been turned into worldwide resentment, and for all our sakes, I hope Kerry will turn that trend around.

/only suicidal in the morning

[suedanim]

Good post, cheezetta! I couldn't agree with you more........

[Anonymous Idiot Savant]

Too bad the ticket isn't reversed.

[Anonymous Idiot Savant]

Don't crow too quickly. Edwards did not even carry South Carolina in the Primaries. John McCain has also just made a new campaign ad for Bush. He has a lot of influence with the Vietnam Vets here.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,123679,00.html

And the latest Polls show Bush ahead of Kerry right in Teresa's backyard of PA. This one will be interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124787,00.html

Why, I ask WHY, is that part about Teresa relevant or interesting politically?

She wasn't born or raised in America so it's not even her "backyard"... :eyes

It's like saying NY is Hilary's backyard. It's not, she is from Arkansas and she's a Cubs fan!

I don't even care if a candidate can carry his own state. Maybe most of the people who live or bother to vote there are assclowns.

[CheezieDanish]

Aren't the Vets pissed because Bush cut their health care?

[Anonymous Idiot Savant]

I'm sure they are.

Don't hear to much about it though, other than he did it.

[LocalBrew]

John Edwards has a lot to answer for according to the people in North Carolina that elected him to the US Senate. He ran as a Democratic moderate but voted liberal. In fact he is ranked #4 on the Senates most liberal voting record – Kerry being #1 of course. He in fact lied to the people he now represents in North Carolina and they are not at all happy about it. In fact Edwards support among North Carolina democrats is so low (around 30%) he has decided not to run for his own seat in ’04.

So now we have it, the Democrap ticket: Kerry the war hero – anti war activist that will speak on any side of any issue depending on what his audience wants to hear –

AND Edwards who has proven that lawyers are really lying SOB’s. He lied to the people that elected him to the US Senate and he will now lie to all of the American people.

Politicians can and do make campaign promises just to get elected but in Edwards case his own voting record tells the whole story.

[CheezieDanish]

Lied lied lied... that's all I read out of your statement LB. WTF? Let's talk about Bush - lied lied lied - lies and more lies. :lol

[LocalBrew]

Please name a campaign lie Bush made. Just one …

With Bush WYSIWYG

With Kerry & Edwards the opposite is true.

But I can understand your frustration at my post. THE TRUTH REALLY DOES HURT

[CheezieDanish]

I'm not hurt in the least, sir. In fact, I'm elated! Today is a new day of HOPE. I am restoring my faith in America - I have hope they will do the right thing come November. YOU vote where you heart is. Everyone else will vote where theirs is. :cheers

[LocalBrew]

Americans typically do not vote their heart. They vote their pocket books. It is a sad commentary on the American people but oh so true. John F. Kennedy, a democrat said “ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country”.

Unfortunately most democrats vote for who they think will do more for them. The big picture escapes their feeble minds clouded by visions of $$$ in their pockets. LBJ proved with his “Great Society” endeavor that government can waste billions in an effort to rise up the impoverished. Jimmy Carter proved record unemployment and astronomical interest rates while depleting our military is possible. Bill Clinton proved he too could starve our military while allowing a false economic bubble to emerge. We all saw that bubble burst leaving the very people the democratic party says they support go down in flames. Millions of people invested in IRA’s and millions of retired people lost most of their savings when that bubble burst.

Still for some unexplained reason liberals cling to the hope that the democratic party will be their salvation.

Just go figure ….

http://www.intergate.com/~motu/Kerrychirac.jpg

[ninjalooter1701]

Unfortunately most democrats vote for who they think will do more for them. The big picture escapes their feeble minds clouded by visions of $$$ in their pockets.
BUSH LOWERED TAXES!!!

Oh wait, that's different feeble minds...

[LocalBrew]

BUSH LOWERED TAXES!!! ~ Ninja

Well DAH!

Earth to Ninja - Bush lowered taxes for ALL Americans.

I can understand that many of you Euro-peons believe Bush gave a tax cut to the rich since that is what your media says. But the fact is Bush gave ALL Americans a tax cut AND a tax rebate. But the word REBATE was clouded in political discourse. It came to pass that the Democraps were not happy with a simple REBATE. So bye the bye the Bush rebate program became a sudo giveaway program. Under this REBATE program even those Americans who paid NO tax got back exactly what those who paid tax got. To whit $300 for a single person and $600 for a married couple.

So much for giving back a rebate. The rich who may have paid millions in taxes got back under the REBATE scheme exactly what those who paid no tax at all got.

A tax cut for the rich is so misleading you in the UK may think it is true. But if you check the facts you might discover that over 90% of all US tax revenue collected comes from less than 5% of the people – the rich.

[CheezieDanish]

Oh fer cripes sake.



Shouldn'tTHAT picture be Bush kissing the asses of the Saudi's? :lol

[lily]

I think one thing is clear.....the Clinton's do not believe Kerry has a
chance of beating Bush....or Hillary would be the VP....

We'd have a black VP., before a woman.

3. Look at this picture, they look like they're in LOVE!
:eyes :eyes :eyes Come on Justin, that's pretty lame.I'd expect it from others on this board, but not from you.

VP isn't what it used to be anymore. Back in "the day", they just sat quietly in the sidelines waiting their turn to run for president. I think he made a wise choice. Still don't know if it's enough to get me to vote for him. Guess the debates will be my deciding factor.

[LocalBrew]

NOTE to ADMIN:

Cheezie nor anyone else is authorized to use my pictures or emoticons on this or any other forum with my bandwidth.

Please remove his post using MY picture of Kerry & Chirac.

[CheezieDanish]

I'm a SHE, by the way. :cheers

[LocalBrew]

I just like to http://www.intergate.com/~motu/piss2.gif

[CheezieDanish]

I noticed. :lol

[Fredfredson]

Here's an interesting look at this team up.

http://urbansurvival.com/week.htm

Kerry - Edwards

As expected, John Edwards has been tapped to be the running mate of John Kerry for the Democratic presidential ticket. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/05/kerry.vp/index.html . We told you some time back that word had circulated that Edwards was a Bilderberger selection according to the net rumor mill and a UPI story. http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20040606-103603-4126r.htm About 1,200 returns from what we call the "search engine oracle" about the connection between John Edwards and Bilderbergers (results). If you're a conspiracy theorist, you'll observe that the same search comes up with only 486 returns for the same search term with Hillary Clinton's name plugged in (results). Tow other names that were in the running were Richard Gephardt of Missouri and Iowa Governor Tom Vilsack. A conspiracy theorist might observe that Vilsack had only 21 returns for the same search (results) which means he had no chance in hell of being picked and it was all media hype because he's not "connected" to the "right" circles (results). Gephardt was not connected well enough either, with 44 returns (results) from the search. John Kerry? Oh he has 2,880 hits (results) which means to the casual conspiracy buff that he's not only connected but very connected to the power structure. George Bush has 5,810 hits. (results).



No, I don't buy into conspiracies, but when one looks at the search engine returns and the actual decisions, we observe that the occurrence of the word Bilderberg on web pages with specific names of politicians is 100% correlated, but whether it's a leading indicators, meaning get a Bilderberg connection and advance in national politics, or a lagging indicator, meaning get into politics and that will result in Bilderberg speculation is a matter for conjecture. It's also a matter for further study...

[CheezieDanish]

What is that supposed to mean, Fred? :/

:lol

[Fredfredson]

Take a little tour in "Tinfoil Hat land" cheezie...

http://www.google.ca/search?q=bildeberger&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&meta=

;)

What are Bilderberg Conferences all about? (http://www.bilderberg.org/bilder.htm#What)


F
:pooter

[LocalBrew]

"Patriotism means being loyal to your country all the time and to its government when it deserves it."-- Mark Twain ~ Fred

I really wonder what Mark Twain meant by that statement. Certainly he could not have meant trusting a man like John Edwards who ran for office as a MODERATE and then abandoned the very people who elected him by voting ultra liberal. Or did he
http://www.intergate.com/~motu/Kerrychirac.jpg[/i]

[ninjalooter1701]

Earth to Ninja - Bush lowered taxes for ALL Americans.
Earth to Planet Fumdukker: Bush doesn't understand the difference between "Average" and "Mean."

Earth to Planet Fumdukker: How much less federal income tax have you paid over the last 3 years?

[LocalBrew]

Who is fundrinker? http://www.intergate.com/~motu/drunk.gif

[goddesscon]

Please name a campaign lie Bush made. Just one


No child left behind :D

You asked for one...there are more but this one is my favorite....
Have a nice day LB...

[sinterest]

Please name a campaign lie Bush made. Just one
The white house had nothing to do with the "MISSION ACOMPLISHED" banner.

[Justin6898]

There is a difference between lieing accidentally and lieing deliberately. I can't think of anytime Bush has lied on purpose.

-Justin

[sinterest]

LB,
We already know Charic is kissing Mrs. Bush's hand in your doctored picture.

[sinterest]

I can't think of anytime Bush has lied on purpose.

That takes the cake - You really know this fellow Texan Justin.
That remark lowers your creditability considerablely. Not even your man Morris would try to sell that one. For Shame!

[LocalBrew]

And we all know Edwards is at best a disingenuous politician.

The underlying fact being Mrs. Bush did not want that kiss but Edwards did give his “kiss my ass” lies to the people who elected him.

[Justin6898]

Tell me one then, Sinterest. I'll believe you if you have anykind of proof. I'm not saying he hasn't lied deliberately to the public, only that I can't think of one.

-Justin

[goddesscon]

Note to LB... Any graphics you post are not our responsibility...it's an open forum..like the net..open to all...if you don't want em knicked...don't post em :D

[suedanim]

Deliberate deception is a lie. To mislead is to deceive......lie.

Here Justin.. heres a few to get you started.

Statement by President George W. Bush

"The regime . . . has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda. The danger is clear: using chemical, biological or, one day, nuclear weapons, obtained with the help of Iraq, the terrorists could fulfill their stated ambitions and kill thousands or hundreds of thousands of innocent people in our country, or any other."

Source: President Says Saddam Hussein Must Leave Iraq Within 48 Hours, White House (3/17/2003).

Explanation: This statement was misleading because it suggested that Iraq was providing support to al Qaeda. In fact, the U.S. intelligence community had conflicting evidence on this issue and was divided regarding whether there was an operational relationship. This statement also was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing al Qaeda with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario.
__________________________________________________

Statement by President George W. Bush
"All the world has now seen the footage of an Iraqi Mirage aircraft with a fuel tank modified to spray biological agents over wide areas. Iraq has developed spray devices that could be used on unmanned aerial vehicals with ranges far beyond what is permitted by the Security Council. A UAV launched from a vessel off the American coast could reach hundreds of miles inland."
Source: President Bush: "World Can Rise to This Moment", White House (2/6/2003).
Explanation: This statement was misleading because it claimed that Iraq’s UAVs were intended and able to spread biological weapons, including over the United States, but failed to mention that the U.S. government agency most knowledgeable about UAVs and their potential applications, the Air Force’s National Air and Space Intelligence Center, had the following view: the "U.S. Air Force does not agree that Iraq is developing UAVs primarily intended to be delivery platforms for chemical and biological (CBW) agents."
__________________________________________________ ___

Statement by President George W. Bush
"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known."
Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).
Explanation: This statement was misleading because it evoked the threat of Iraq providing terrorists who would attack the United States with weapons of mass destruction. According to the National Intelligence Estimate, the intelligence community had "low confidence" in that scenario, and Iraq appeared to be "drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks" against the United States for fear of providing cause for war. This statement also was misleading because by referencing the September 11 attacks in conjunction with discussion of the war on terror in Iraq, it left the impression that Iraq was connected to September 11. In fact, President Bush himself in September 2003 acknowledge that "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September the 11th."

http://www.house.gov/reform/min/features/iraq_on_the_record/

[Justin6898]

Thanks, Sue. ;)

-Justin

[GunnyL]

That takes the cake - You really know this fellow Texan Justin.

Lay off the Texas thing Sinterest. I happen to be a fellow Texan, AND I agree with Justin.

Now if you have some evidence to present to the contrary -- where Bush knowingly lied -- please present it.

That remark lowers your creditability considerablely.

Why? Can you PROVE the statement untrue? Please do. I am and have been wlling to look at ANY evidence proving Bush knowingly lied to us.

[GunnyL]

Oh yeah ... thanks, Sue. Talk about Monday morning quarterbacking. :lol

There's a difference between your definition of deception and believing something that later turns out be incorrect, is there not?

Your post does not substantiate a deliberate lie. It only substantiates that what Bush thought was wrong. Unless you KNOW FOR A FACT what he was thinking at the time, your accusation is without merit.

[lily]

Tell me one then, Sinterest. I'll believe you if you have anykind of proof. I'm not saying he hasn't lied deliberately to the public, only that I can't think of one.

Mission accomplished.

I'm putting social security in a locked box. No one will touch it.

[CheezieDanish]

Note to LB... Any graphics you post are not our responsibility...it's an open forum..like the net..open to all...if you don't want em knicked...don't post em :D

Hey LB :bleh

[LocalBrew]

Have a ball, my bandwidth is endless.....




http://www.intergate.com/~motu/war-paint_sm.jpg

http://www.intergate.com/~motu/hook.jpg

http://www.intergate.com/~motu/drunk.gif

[CheezieDanish]

Naw... I won't do that. I just fingered since you just posted it and you were wasting your own bandwidth anyway... ;)

[LocalBrew]

My ISP gives me 100mb's for free in case I want to make a web site. They could care less if I use it to post pictures.

They sell me unlimited bandwidth for $9.95/month.

P.S. They also allow me 100 email addresses

http://www.intergate.com/~motu/janeandjohn.jpg

Can you spot Kerry in this picture?

[CheezieDanish]

I have my own domain ;)



Isn't that Kerry squinting in the background there? I can tell by his nose. :cheers

[ninjalooter1701]

My ISP gives me 100mb's for free in case I want to make a web site. They could care less if I use it to post pictures.

They sell me unlimited bandwidth for $9.95/month.

P.S. They also allow me 100 email addresses

http://www.intergate.com/~motu/janeandjohn.jpg

Can you spot Kerry in this picture?
Then why were you whining about "stolen bandwidth" if it's unlimited?

What's your real problem?

[Silver]

Aren't the Vets pissed because Bush cut their health care?

There is pissed and then there is pissed. They seem to be more pissed at John Kerry and his anti-war activism after returning from Vietnam. A few sites in point:

http://www.vetsagainstkerry.org/

http://vnsfvetakerry.com/

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.org/

[Silver]

The Edwards-Cheney debate is gonna rock, Old and Busted vs. New Hotness. :yay

Is "New Hotness" a criteria for being one heartbeat from the presidency?

[Silver]

And as for Kerry critics...many of you think that his flip-flopping on issues makes him a poor choice for President. Ladies and gentlemen, what's worse: changing your stance on trivial domestic issues, or LYING TO THE COUNTRY ABOUT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION or maybe GOING AFTER THE WRONG GUY FOR SEPTEMBER 11 WITH EVIDENCE STARING YOU IN THE FACE?



LYING about WMDs? You might find the following interesting:



UN inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM


Friday, June 11, 2004
The United Nations has determined that Saddam Hussein shipped weapons of mass destruction components as well as medium-range ballistic missiles before, during and after the U.S.-led war against Iraq in 2003.

The UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission briefed the Security Council on new findings that could help trace the whereabouts of Saddam's missile and WMD program.

The briefing contained satellite photographs that demonstrated the speed with which Saddam dismantled his missile and WMD sites before and during the war. Council members were shown photographs of a ballistic missile site outside Baghdad in May 2003, and then saw a satellite image of the same location in February 2004, in which facilities had disappeared.


UNMOVIC acting executive chairman Demetrius Perricos told the council on June 9 that "the only controls at the borders are for the weight of the scrap metal, and to check whether there are any explosive or radioactive materials within the scrap," Middle East Newsline reported.
"It's being exported," Perricos said after the briefing. "It's being traded out. And there is a large variety of scrap metal from very new to very old, and slowly, it seems the country is depleted of metal."
"The removal of these materials from Iraq raises concerns with regard to proliferation risks," Perricos told the council. Perricos also reported that inspectors found Iraqi WMD and missile components shipped abroad that still contained UN inspection tags.

He said the Iraqi facilities were dismantled and sent both to Europe and around the Middle East. at the rate of about 1,000 tons of metal a month. Destionations included Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey.

Tuesday, August 26, 2003 : Report: U.S suspects Iraqi WMD in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley

The Baghdad missile site contained a range of WMD and dual-use components, UN officials said. They included missile components, reactor vessel and fermenters – the latter required for the production of chemical and biological warheads.

"It raises the question of what happened to the dual-use equipment, where is it now and what is it being used for," Ewen Buchanan, Perricos's spokesman, said. "You can make all kinds of pharmaceutical and medicinal products with a fermenter. You can also use it to breed anthrax."

The UNMOVIC report said Iraqi missiles were dismantled and exported to such countries as Jordan, the Netherlands and Turkey. In the Dutch city of Rotterdam, an SA-2 surface-to-air missile, one of at least 12, was discovered in a junk yard, replete with UN tags. In Jordan, UN inspectors found 20 SA-2 engines as well as components for solid-fuel for missiles.
"The problem for us is that we don't know what may have passed through these yards and other yards elsewhere," Buchanan said. "We can't really assess the significance and don't know the full extent of activity that could be going on there or with others of Iraq's neighbors."

UN inspectors have assessed that the SA-2 and the short-range Al Samoud surface-to-surface missile were shipped abroad by agents of the Saddam regime. Buchanan said UNMOVIC plans to inspect other sites, including in Turkey.

In April, International Atomic Energy Agency director-general Mohammed El Baradei said material from Iraqi nuclear facilities were being smuggled out of the country.

__________________________


Note the date of this report and also that the conclusions came from UN INSPECTORS.

[Silver]

I still feel hilary does not want to be president..

Think again. Hillary has wanted to be president since before her husband was elected. The Clintons will not want Kerry/ Edwards elected.

[suedanim]

There's a difference between your definition of deception and believing something that later turns out be incorrect, is there not?

Yeah.. but thats not what my post reflects. That information is documented fact from Henry Waxman's site. It shows that gw deliberately lied or misled at the moment he was speaking. since he knew other government agencies had either contradictory intelligence or very low confidence that what he described was true.

I notice no one argues in direct opposition to the statements by gw presented. Justin? How 'bout those drones?

gw did not believe something that later turned out to be incorrect. He knew when he spoke, the intelligence he had was weak, if documented at all and he knew that his own agencies differed with his portrayals to the people. He embellished, exagerated and twisted... as did Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Rice, Powell and Perle. He chose to portray to us all an exagerated and inflammatory scenarios to gain support and backing from Congress ie the people of the US to accomplish that war. And his butt buddy Blair was doing the same thing to the people of the UK.

Yes.... we do all know now some of what he knew and why he knew it. That doesn't make us seeing things in hindsight. It makes us know how much of a liar he is..... which.. resulted in the deaths of thousands of human beings and for which he should be prosecuted for to the fullest extent of the law.

Even the partisan 9/11 commission does not support his claims on al qaeda and their investigations show that he/they knew the link they claimed was weak.

It shouldn't be so hard now to prove to the people of the US that the claims they made... all of them.. regarding Iraq or bin laden, 9/11, even... Abu Graib and much more, are as they say they are. If they have nothing to hide, why do they gag people who have information, seal records, black out so much of what they do provide, claim executive privilege? And... why does the President hire an attorney for his deposition on the White House leaking of the name of a CIA operative?

There are just so many lies, so many its mind-boggling to keep up with, but it all adds up to one thing... he and the people he has surrounded himself with are deceptive, even criminal liars, who cannot brag or boast about anything they've done in the last 4 years, without it being tainted by their own consistent malfeasance.

JMO!

[thaanatos]

Scares the shite out of the Rep party...
I disagree.....I think this nomination to the who?/Edwards ticket provides the balance that the ticket needs....Edwards is interesting, charismatic, dynamic, energetic, popular, intelligent....all things that the ticket lacked before......

[goddesscon]

Oh my Goddess....someone stop me....
I agree with Thaany!!!!!!



I disagree.....I think this nomination to the who?/Edwards ticket provides the balance that the ticket needs....Edwards is interesting, charismatic, dynamic, energetic, popular, intelligent....all things that the ticket lacked before......

However, I still think Kerry's choice has definitely put Bush on a hot seat...This election is definitely going to be fun!

[Francois Cellier]

There is no question in my mind that Edwards will give the democratic ticket a significant boost in the polls during the coming weeks ... the question is, whether they can hold on to it long enough. The elections are still four months away.

[CheezieDanish]

Silver - all fluff. :D

I agree with you three - thaan, Goddesscon and Fred... Edwards gives Kerry BALANCE.

[Atenhotep]

Silver ... :eyes


In an emotional reunion in Iowa, John Kerry met with fellow Vietnam veteran Jim Rassmann. Kerry was awarded the Bronze Star with Combat V for saving Jim's life during combat. Although the former crewmates had not seen each other since 1969, Rassmann is now campaigning in New Hampshire to help John Kerry in another tough fight.

"Scorned, spat upon and ignored when they returned home from battle, Vietnam veterans are finding vindication and a voice in Sen. John Kerry three decades later, several veterans said yesterday. In Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War Navy veteran turned anti-war activist, Hassett and several other Vietnam veterans said they have found an almost redemptive voice." - Manchester Union Leader

John Kerry volunteered for service in the Navy during the Vietnam War, where he served as skipper of a Swift Boat.

Lt. Kerry was awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star with V, three awards of the Purple Heart, Combat Action Ribbon, Navy Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal, and the Vietnam Campaign Medal.

He is a cofounder of the Vietnam Veterans of America and a life member of the Veterans of Foreign Wars. Kerry is also a member of the NamVets Association, the SWIFT Boat Sailors Association, and is the honorary co-chair of the United States Navy Memorial Foundation, a Corporate Council Member of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund and sits on the Advisory Council for the Library of Congress’s Veterans History Project.

Veterans for Kerry (http://www.johnkerry.com/communities/veterans/)

[LocalBrew]

I must admit it is fun watching Kerry, Edwards and democraps salivating all over each other. They are calling themselves the dream team. Well that may just stick. But just for the sake of history let me point out a few things.

In 1972 George McGovern, an ultra liberal got a whopping 17 electoral votes.

In 1984 Walter Mondale, another ultra left wing liberal received an unprecedented 13 electoral votes.

Both were US Senators with voting records BTW.

Now in 2004 we have not one but TWO US Senators with voting records ranking them as ULTRA LIBERAL. Kerry being #1 and Edwards being #4 on the most liberal voting record. Both claim to be strong on national defense and our military but their voting records tell a very different story. Edwards tells us he is a moderate but his voting record says otherwise. Kerry has yet to tell us in any detail what he plans to do if President AND has yet to explain his anti-war activity. Instead he is now trying to depict himself as strong on defense and our military. His voting record of over 19 years tells a very different story.

Both these men are the darlings of deception. With GWB what you see is what you get.

[goddesscon]

With GWB what you see is what you get.


I've seen enough that I wish I get struck blind LB....
Thank Goodness I can now have a bit of mystery :lol

[LocalBrew]

You expect mystery when you have their voting records to go on? No wonder you are a liberal. A dreamer with no sense of reality.

http://www.intergate.com/~motu/arab.gif

[suedanim]

With GWB what you see is what you get.

:rofl

You know... thats actually a true statement when you think about it.

[thaanatos]

I agree with you three - thaan, Goddesscon and Fred... Edwards gives Kerry BALANCE.
of course, that still leaves us with the 287 electoral college vote question.....will Kerry bring balance to the ticket?