if you were bin laden

[lucy]

obl and friends must care about the next u.s. election.

who do you think they want in office between bush and kerry. that's the poll but if you feel like giving a written response as well then what do you think they will do to "help" to ensure their choice becomes president ?

[Zan de Man]

What a strange question. Al Qaeda has been targeting America since Clinton. Why would Bin Laden have any preference as long as the US continues to support the Saudi monarchy and act with pro-Israel bias in Palestine?

[adaminthemiddle]

That is a strange question. I would suspect bin Laden would rather neither, but...

I'd have to pick Bush in this case. Why? Because Bush has taken so many troops out of Afghanistan it's not even funny. He's basically given up on finding bin Laden and is putting all his strength in Iraq.

Kerry, on the other hand, IMO, would more actively look for bin Laden.

[Dave]

Really? Would Kerry still commit US troops to Iraq though or would he pull them out at the first opportunity?

[lucy]

What a strange question. Al Qaeda has been targeting America since Clinton. Why would Bin Laden have any preference as long as the US continues to support the Saudi monarchy and act with pro-Israel bias in Palestine?

clinton was before 9-11 and everything changed that day. i am no fan of the idiot son bush but clinton had a much easier job then bush jr when it comes to terrorism. bush has made many, many mistakes but who knows clinton could have made them too if he was still in office. truthfully as much as i believe that bush went about this wrong way ~ there is a method to his madness. the war on terror is being fought in the middle east and not american soil (but it needed to be a world crusade not a money making haliburton cowboy adventure and it needed to be done honestly not thru bullshit wmd tales of made up facts) and i really could have got behind saddam must no longer be ruler but on our timetable not americans.

i think with the recent events of the bombing in spain (that changed the probable outcome of their election) and with the new bin laden audio tape (which encourages europe to pull out of iraq) that terrorists are begining to morph into something new. i don't think al qaeda thought for one second europe would take their offer yet they made it anyway. i suppose it's all about mind games but they are becoming a force bigger than life.

there's little doubt in my mind that somehow they will act differently depending on who they want to be the next american president. i voted kerry in this pole but struggled to come up with that. there's just so many variables. (lol hence the strange poll)

[Zan de Man]

You think terrorists have never affected the outcome of elections before? You need to read some modern European history.

Anyway Lucy, you asked the question, so I'd expect you to stick to it. Where did Clinton come in? And don't tell me I brought him up, because all I did was to use his presidency as a reference point.

[adaminthemiddle]

Really? Would Kerry still commit US troops to Iraq though or would he pull them out at the first opportunity?

According to Kerry, he plans on committing troops to Iraq. The ones he does pull out though, which I bet would account to few, would be replaced by Iraqi and UN troops.

clinton was before 9-11 and everything changed that day. i am no fan of the idiot son bush but clinton had a much easier job then bush jr when it comes to terrorism. bush has made many, many mistakes but who knows clinton could have made them too if he was still in office. truthfully as much as i believe that bush went about this wrong way ~ there is a method to his madness. the war on terror is being fought in the middle east and not american soil (but it needed to be a world crusade not a money making haliburton cowboy adventure and it needed to be done honestly not thru bullshit wmd tales of made up facts) and i really could have got behind saddam must no longer be ruler but on our timetable not americans.

You've made some good points there.

And as for me, I've never really been against the War on Terror itself. Although like you, I wish Bush's policy was much better. It seems to me Kerry supports the War, but not the policy.

i think with the recent events of the bombing in spain (that changed the probable outcome of their election) and with the new bin laden audio tape (which encourages europe to pull out of iraq) that terrorists are begining to morph into something new. i don't think al qaeda thought for one second europe would take their offer yet they made it anyway. i suppose it's all about mind games but they are becoming a force bigger than life.


You're probably right there too.

I think the whole Europe truce was just a mind game. They probably knew Europe wouldn't accept the truce, and when they declined, bin Laden could rally his followers by proving Europe is an "aggressor." It's all in the strategy.

[lucy]

You think terrorists have never affected the outcome of elections before? You need to read some modern European history.

Anyway Lucy, you asked the question, so I'd expect you to stick to it. Where did Clinton come in? And don't tell me I brought him up, because all I did was to use his presidency as a reference point.

my whole clinton spiel was to point out that pre 9-11 cannot be compared to post 9-11. the world changed that day and no matter how much time goes by or how vague our memories become we now live in a different world. look if you wanna make clinton and old europe comparisions go right ahead but to me they are apples and oranges.

lol you expect me to stick to the question i asked ? you don't know me so maybe you should keep your expections of me to yourself or get a mod job here as the stay on the subject thought police cause i assure you i will say what i want when i want and i was responding to you bringing up clinton so really if you don't like it then don't use a reference point that holds no water. (you know the 1st attack on the wtc was in the beginning of clintons presidency and just like every other president before him we did not understand the depth of their hatred towards us and blew it off. but we know better now and weather it is bush or kerry those naive days are over)

/rant

back to bin

if bin wants bush in office (reasons like after 3 years he still hasn't found bin and is probably a poster boy for terrorist recuitment) then i doubt there will be an attack on u.s. soil prior to the elections.

if bin doesn't want bush to win (reasons like bush has been dogging him and his cronies. enough to put bin on the run for 3 yrs and kerry is an unknown. bush i think is determined to do away with evil doers and altho that scares the hell out of me that the leader of the free world could even think like that ~ it must also be a negative to bin laden.

[Zan de Man]

Did you ever hear of punctuation Lucy?

[lucy]

yes i am aware of my laid back style of writing. so what you are the thought police and the punctuation police and the spelling police as well.

way to stay on subject tho (and if you don't like it to fucking bad ~ try not reading my posts then)

[Zan de Man]

good idea ill try it from now on

[lucy]

excellent but try really hard okay cause i'm not fond of wannabe's who want to change what i write and how i write it. but i'm sure there a tons of people you can criticize so go give them your insights on what makes a good poster cause there are way to many boards to settle into one that wants to restrict my thoughts to conform to a single subject or the use of the english language.

[Diemos3211]

OBL would definitely prefer Bush, not necessarily because he will have an easier time of it with Bush in office but because Bush furthers OBL's agenda without prompting. OBL very clearly wants the US to be seen by Islamic nations as a big bully picking on Islamic/Arab countries because he wants to have the Muslim world riled up to the point that they all unify to fight against the western world (especially the US) and so that thusly a caliphate can be formed encompassing all of Islam. It is much more likely that Bush will do things that push the Islamic world towards being totally enraged than Kerrey will, ergo Bush would clearly be OBL's choice as Bush suits his long term goals.

[PhilosopherA]

Whoops, I voted wrong because I missed the Bin Ladin bit. If I were Bin Ladin I would definitely want Kerry to be President. Kerry would pull out of the Middle East.

[Zan de Man]

Bollocks.

I like Kerry only marginally more than I like Bush, but that is just bullshit. Unless, of course, you'd care to do some actual work to provide supporting evidence.

[ALASKA]

i think they seem to be both good but i trust kerry more when it comes to international affairs

[Neko]

is this some kind of subtle satire that i dont get

[gurutoo]

is this some kind of subtle satire that i dont get :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

You piss me off sometimes neko-but then it's all worthwhile with a gem like this! :cheers