Why John Kerry will LOSE the election.

[gauchoamigo]

Top ten reasons why john kerry will lose the presidential election:

1. He will be so confused about what he stands for by November that he will step down.
2. Mr. Kerry will join the cast of the Adams family as lurch for a reunion show and it will be a huge success.
3. He will ask Jacques Chirac to be his Vice Pres.
4. John will ask the United Nations for permission to debate GW Bush.
5. His wife will threaten to pull Heinz Ketchup off the shelves of major grocery stores if the war in Iraq doesn't end.
6. The "right wing conspiracy" will rig the gallup polls and force JK into actually believing he's gay.
7. Ted kennedy will reveal that JK is too liberal to be president.
8. Howard dean accidently uses his wild animal call in the audience at the final debate between GW Bush and Kerry.
9. JK will admit that he is the reincarnate of Karl Marx.
10. John Kerry will tell a "positive story" about America and put the majority of Americans into cardiac arrest.

[ninjalooter1701]

So, you don't know where Kerry stands, right?

[Larkin]

Did something make you this way, or were you just born this stupid ?

[sinterest]

Since this is a wasted thread anyway, just thought I'd tell yall.
Listening to Rush in my car today - heard him say John fing kerry.
Literally Fing - kinda different for him.
Think he better untie that other half of his brain.
Anyway I find it very interesting the way they harp on "foriegn leaders want a change".
Rush talked about that subject my whole 45 min. drive home.
Do they really think that it's helping their cause to constantly remind Americans that the rest of the world dislikes Bushs' policies?
On the other hand, Kerry's "I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it" sound bite might be amoung the biggest fo-pas ever.
Oh well - great thread Grocho!

[ketel kaotic]

yea.. flip flopped in one sentance... gotta love kerry

"I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it" John F'ing Kerry

on the fact that kerry says foriegn leaders he MET with want to see bush defeated and his schedule shows him meeting with no forgien leaders leads you to believe he made it up.. ya guys get all over busha dn say he MADE up WMD.. but dont see ya jump on kerry for proof..

Yes as long as Kerry has Jaques Sharak, and Shroeder on his side no self respecting american should vote for him.. cept ninjalooter...

[Larkin]

ya guys get all over busha dn say he MADE up WMD.. but dont see ya jump on kerry for proof

Lets see, whats more important to have proof for:

A reason for going to war and invading a country, overthrowing its leader, hurting the UN, etc.

OR

Making a comment about foreign leaders.

Hmm...

[ketel kaotic]

heh....

kerry can do no wrong in your eyes.. let me ask what if anything can John F'ing Kerry do that would make you not supoport him.. Or do you blindly support this guy?

before you ask I will list my deal breakers for bush,a nd what it would take for me to not vote for him
1. raise taxes
2. leave Iraq before a full developed democratic government is in place.
3. stop hunting usama
4. cheat on his wife
5. ask the UN for permission to protect america
there are more but i am tired...

[ninjalooter1701]

Kerry voted against the 87 billion because of the tax cuts that were simultaneously happening.

Grats Ketel, on seeing what you want to see.

[ketel kaotic]

Kerry voted against the 87 billion because of the tax cuts that were simultaneously happening.

Grats Ketel, on seeing what you want to see.

umm huh? kerry quoteed as saying I will repeat again

"I voted for the 87 billion before I voted against it" John F'ing Kerry

he has maintained he voted agaist it becaue he was not in support of the iraq invasion.. he has never said it was becaue of the tax cuts.. unless I missed it.. please post quote and link.[/quote]

[Larkin]

kerry can do no wrong in your eyes.. let me ask what if anything can John F'ing Kerry do that would make you not supoport him.. Or do you blindly support this guy?

I'm not terribly fond of the guy, but the points you make are assinine.

Take that question, and apply it to yourself and Bush.

[tolivr]

A reason for going to war and invading a country, overthrowing its leader, hurting the UN, etc.

OR

Making a comment about foreign leaders.


You'll have your answer in less than 8 months. I predict you'll be rather surprised when Americans opt for the latter.

Do you really have no idea how Kerry is going to be defined by the Republicans when this election hits its stride:
For Iraq war Against Iraq war
1991 Gulf War Coalition was weak 2004 Gulf War Coalition was strong
Voted against Gulf War (was that 12 of 100 Senators voting against?)
Voted against Apache helicopter program
Voted against Bradley Fighting vehicle
Voted against military pay raises 12 times
And if I am not mistaken...voted against Patriot missile program

But hey, I just hope and pray ONE of those foreign leaders supporting him speaks FRENCH. If so, Bush in a landslide.

[ninjalooter1701]

Yes, hate the french! Embrace the hatred!

[toolman846]

"Ted kennedy will reveal that JK is too liberal to be president. "

God! I would've bet Little Teddy would say he's too consevative to be president! :lol

[Sonar5]

Ahhh,

The many faces and flip-flops of John "Hanoi" Kerry.

Good Thread...

Adn I can't wait for the Republican machine to get going on Kerry.

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Like a Good Racehorse, (Who finishes the race in first place regardless of where it is throughout the race)The Republicans will be saving these things for later this summer when it matters.

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Regards,
Joe

[Larkin]

Racehorses save things for later this summer ? Do they run year-long marathons or something ?

Some of the posts I read make me feel like I should support merit-driven voting...

[Sonar5]

Racehorses save things for later this summer ? Do they run year-long marathons or something ?

Some of the posts I read make me feel like I should support merit-driven voting...

There there now, I fixed the context just for you.

Happy Now, or do you need remedial classes?

Some of the posts I read make me feel like I should support special education classes for readers here who can't think without being explicitly taught like a 5 year old. :bart

Regards,
Joe

[goddesscon]

Larkin...
:lol

It's very funny....all of it...Let's see what happpens in Novemeber... all these skewed views are ridiculous...
I'll wait for the vote thank you...

[Larkin]

Simple sentence structure ?

It was more like a comparison that made no sense.

Yes, I understood what you were getting at. But I find it fairly useless to argue with people who are merely trolls. So I will content myself with mocking you.

Here, let me re-post what you said, except for the silly racehorse analogy

Ahhh,

The many faces and flip-flops of John "Hanoi" Kerry.

Good Thread...

Adn I can't wait for the Republican machine to get going on Kerry


Why did you post this ? Does this add anything of value at all, except to express your rabid anti-Kerry feelings ? That and calling him "hanoi" kerry destroys much of your credibility.

[Sonar5]

Simple sentence structure ?

It was more like a comparison that made no sense.

Yes, I understood what you were getting at. But I find it fairly useless to argue with people who are merely trolls. So I will content myself with mocking you.

Here, let me re-post what you said, except for the silly racehorse analogy

Ahhh,

The many faces and flip-flops of John "Hanoi" Kerry.

Good Thread...

Adn I can't wait for the Republican machine to get going on Kerry


Why did you post this ? Does this add anything of value at all, except to express your rabid anti-Kerry feelings ? That and calling him "hanoi" kerry destroys much of your credibility.


Oh Please... You are one to talk about Credibility here...

How about your post here:

Let's see now.. Page 1

Larkin Contributes:
"Did something make you this way, or were you just born this stupid ?"

Yeah, I care about what you think.... NOT....

THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR'S Post was a Parody.. Don't you even get simple humor...

I laugh at the Bush Parody's as well. Lighten Up ....


Regards,
Joe

[Larkin]

Notice the post which I wrote that in response too. Notice also that it was a virulent, partisan, rhetorical, absurd, poorly written piece of shit.

Now, I'd appreciate if you explained to me how exactly your post furthered the discussion.

Thanks.

[Sonar5]

Sorry, I'm not playing your game...

Enjoy your post.

I rest My case...

My Integrity is in Tact.

Have a Day,
Joe

[Larkin]

Where is Tact exactly ? I'm wondering where to find your integrity.

[sinterest]

Kerry voted against the 87 billion because of the tax cuts that were simultaneously happening.
Yes he wanted it paid for by today's rich cats instead of tomorrows struggleing working class (I listened to most of the debate on the senate floor).
Another big reason that there was opposition was that 66 billion was for the troops.
I don't recall any senator being against that portion.
There was opposition to the 21 billion (which repubs cleverly refused to separate from troop support) for a US tax payer gift (couldn't be a loan)to "rebuild Iraq".
Perhaps the lowest "dirty" blow in the repubs recent ad is the claim that "Kerry voted against body and hummer armor".
The bill passed and as part of the piss poor planning for this fiasco, parents and loved ones are still buying armor for some of the reserves being sent over.
Kerry knew that had the "No votes" prevailed the bill wouldn't have been killed, but rather, modifications would have been agreed to and eventually (few days) the troop support part would have been passed.

The more I think about what I am writing, the more I think of Gunny's words recently. This political crap is a real downer. The approach that both sides are taking SUCK! American citizens suck even more for being so uninformed and allowing ourselves to be totally manipulated by superfluous bullshit.

[thaanatos]

Perhaps the lowest "dirty" blow in the repubs recent ad is the claim that "Kerry voted against body and hummer armor".
you mean as distinguished from Kerry's assertion that Bush had "failed to provide" said body and hummer armor following Congress's refusal to pass the resolution?

[Sonar5]

Sinterest:
Perhaps the lowest "dirty" blow in the repubs recent ad is the claim that "Kerry voted against body and hummer armor".

It is not a claim, It is a FACT.

In that bill is 300 Million for armor for our troops. That is a fact.

Kerry voted NEY on that bill, therefore by FACT, he voted against all portions.

Just like Kerry's stellar record of voting against pay reaised for our troops in the past, he really continues to show how much he dsidains the military.

Just about every chance he gets where troops are concerend, he votes NO.

Claim my eye... Claim all you want.

SOme people can't deal with FACTS...

Regards,
Joe

[sinterest]

I watch C-span and I know more than most (and obiviously you two) about votes on bills.
I didn't think that anyone who's been posting here was "out of it" enough to think that if that bill had been defeated that day our troups would have been cut off.
There would have been changes, that may well have been better for all us tax paying citizens, but our soldiers would have been taken care of and you turkeys know it.
Remember this was the second vote for the big bucks, the first 60 billion had a few months more covered.
What is it about wanting to resend the tax cuts for the richest so our children don't pay for the war that you don't understand?
Either of you got kids that you want to saddle with the costs of this war?
Read my whole post next time.
As I said, the bill passed and many didn't get armor in time i.e. killed.
Please explain how Kerry voting yes would have saved them.

[ninjalooter1701]

Sinterest, it's pointless, Sonar5 doesn't understand the concept of "riders" and bills...yet has a website to give people advice on how politics works...It's simple fact!

[sinterest]

Sinterest, it's pointless, Sonar5 doesn't understand the concept of "riders" and bills...yet has a website to give people advice on how politics works...It's simple fact!Surely you jest!
That's his site? Might go for laughs sometime.

[tolivr]

Sinterest, it's pointless, Sonar5 doesn't understand the concept of "riders" and bills

What is the average intelligence, and more importantly, the average attention span, of the majority of Americans of voting age?

You are making my point as to why Kerry will lose. He will never be able to explain the nuances of his apparently contradictory and anti-military votes. If he cannot condense it into a sound bite of 10 seconds, he's dead.

Sonar5 is exactly right.

Wait and see if you don't hear these words intoned over the television in a deep, somber voice:

"The war appropriation bill provided for $300 million for body armor for our soldiers risking their lives in Iraq. But Senator Kerry voted against it. He voted against funding to provide our soldiers the protection they need."[At this point you'll likely see film of Kerry frowning at his desk in the Senate, and a superimposed part of the bill showing the words "body armor"]. "Can we trust a man with this judgment in time of war....can our troops--our sons and daughters, fathers and mothers--trust him to protect them? Vote Bush in 2004."

He'll never be able to explain his vote to the "Average Joe" or "Joe SixPack."

And none of them watch C-Span.

[Larkin]

Bush has the same problems, and Kerry can do the exact same to Bush...

imagine that scenario, but instead asking why Bush refused to hand over papers to the 9/11 investigation.

*shrug* there are issues like that on both sides.

[tolivr]

there are issues like that on both sides.

Yes there are issues on both sides, but FAR FAR more to be used against Kerry. He has a 19 year voting record (literally, thousands of votes) in the Senate, hundreds of them on defense matters. Bush only has to defend 4 years as President, and on defense issues, he's safe--he's a hawk.

Kerry will score points on the economy and Bush's handling of it, but Bush never voted against the Apache helicopter, Bradley fighting vehicle, Patriot missile, 12 military pay raises, and for a nuclear freeze.

Kerry did. And the GOP is going to pillory him for it.

[Larkin]

Yes there are issues on both sides, but FAR FAR more to be used against Kerry.

I'm not so sure of that, despite his length of time in the Senate.

*shrug* as I've said before, its fairly pointless to debate something 8 months in the future which could be determined by anything from a nuclear attack to inpromptu flatulence.

I just say its up in the air.

[tolivr]

its up in the air.

I know it's time for me to get off this site for tonight when I find myself agreeing with you. Yes, it is up in the air. But I am certain of this much: this will be a VERY negative campaign, and the GOP is going to define JK as the most liberal candidate since Mondale. It is going to be tough on him, believe me.

Will it work? I think so, but as you say, there are too many unknown future events that could change everything.................

[jpn of Seattle]

If you watched this debate at the time you'll remember that last summer the Bush administration went to great lengths to cut combat pay for troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan in order to save money for other priorities. They only relented when Democrats, Republicans and most of all military-oriented publications like Army Times expressed so much outrage that they had no choice but abandon the effort.

Here's a snippet from an article which appeared on August 15th, 2003 in the San Francisco Chronicle which gives a brief glimpse of their ignominious retreat ...

The White House quickly backpedaled Thursday on Pentagon plans to cut the combat pay of the 157,000 U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan after disclosure of the idea quickly became a political embarrassment.
The Pentagon's support for the idea of rolling back "imminent danger pay" by $75 a month and "family separation allowances" for the American forces by $150 a month collapsed after a story in The Chronicle Thursday generated intense criticism from military families, veterans groups and Democratic candidates seeking to unseat President Bush in 2004.

And so the White House which was pushing to save money by reducing combat pay for troops currently serving in two combat zones is now challenging Kerry's national security bona-fides by alleging that he opposed increases in combat pay.

--Talkingpointsmemo

[ninjalooter1701]

you mean a FLIP FLOP?

[sinterest]

I'm not so sure of that, despite his length of time in the Senate.

*shrug* as I've said before, its fairly pointless to debate something 8 months in the future which could be determined by anything from a nuclear attack to inpromptu flatulence.

I just say its up in the air.Larkin,
If I had to vote for the most intelligent/understanding poster on this board - you'd be damn near the top.

[Larkin]

Why thank you, I generally don't like massive amount of compliments that go on here, but I cannot deny that I am somewhat touched.

I do try to be both of those things, and while I fail however much I do, it is my intention.

Except when talking to LB. Then its just an attempt to make him shut up.

[ninjalooter1701]

This is a neat thread.

[Atenhotep]

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This thread has several faults right off. First, it belongs in a completely different forum ... or is that too difficult for "some" people to understand?

Secondly, ketel is posting in it. Why is ketel posting at all?

Then we have toeliver saying, "Sonar5 is exactly right. "

:eyes

Jeesh .. this thread is a mess.

Anyone like ice cream?

[Jayne B]

I was working elsewhere, or I'd have moved it to the Election forum long ago. Now done.

[thaanatos]

it hadn't been moved because it died long before the new forum was created....