View Full Version : George Bush, Believer or Deceiver
RedCon1
05-18-2005, 02:54 AM
What do you think? Is George Bush serious about his Christian faith/beliefs or is it nothing more than lip service to gain votes? I'm voting deceiver based on his actions. Frankly, I'm not sure which of the possible answers makes me less nervous about this guy.
CockySOB
05-18-2005, 03:05 AM
I'd say probably about 75% believer, 25% a mix of deception/self-deception/ignorance/etc. How you want that scored?
Fredfredson
05-18-2005, 03:16 AM
If there was a "tough to tell" options I'd pick that.
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RedCon1
05-18-2005, 06:01 AM
It is tough to tell and I thought I added a middle ground but it didn't show up. Regardless, in the end, it was just as well because it has to be either believer or deceiver at this point. The man has made too much of his faith for there to be any middle ground. Also, being a deceiver doesn't necessarily preclude being a deceiver. As Bob Dylan said, "you're gonna have to serve somebody. It may be the Devil, it may be the Lord but you're gonna have to serve somebody". With that in mind, I suppose a better question then might have been: " who does GW serve"?
contracycle
05-18-2005, 09:31 AM
I think Bush is probably a true Believer. But it is precisely that presumption that he has a hotline to truth and goodness that it makes it easy for him to be a deceiver.
Snopes reports:
Claim: President Bush spoke to Lindsey Yeskoo, the wife of a U.S. Foreign Service officer, after delivering a speech in Shanghai.
Status: True.
Yeskoo wrote:
Then I leaned over and mentioned that we pray for him every day. He stopped dead in his tracks (a definite security NO-NO . . . the SS men got REALLY antsy). He searched my eyes as if to see how much I really meant what I was saying. Then he gave me the most amazing and unexpected personal response, Paul said for a good 20-30 seconds.
He told me what the effect has been on him, waking up every day of the crisis and knowing within himself that he is being faithfully prayed for. He almost pleaded with me not to give up, but to persist with it, for this is only the beginning. Then he looked me even more squarely in my eyes, and gave me a very personal and specific series of instructions about the very things he most needs prayer for, on behalf of himself and of the nation.
He urged me that the threat against America is very great, and that one of our focuses in prayer to God needs to be "the shielding of America" . . . and wisdom for him as he leads the country through this time. I don't know why, but as I looked straight back at him directly into his face, he let me see for those brief moments a tiny part of the agony he himself is going through, and the weariness. He finished the conversation by putting his hand on my right shoulder, almost as if it were the close of a commissioning, but affectionate too in a brotherly sort of way.
gurutoo
05-18-2005, 11:57 AM
I think that Geroge Bush probably is a true believer who wants the best for America. Even though I'm outraged over social security and illegal immigration I feel it's possible that history will judge his presidency in a more positve light than present day journalists.
Believer. It takes more intelligence than he has demonstrated to deceive efficiently.
Geezer38
05-22-2005, 07:23 PM
Yes, either choice is scary!
What I do believe is that there are two kinds of people in the world; those who build and those who destroy. For my money, he is a destroyer.
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