Do we try another evolution debate thread?

[Fredfredson]

:dunno

I locked Neo Fascists? thread idea because I'm tired of going through this stuff over and over again.

I've had fun debating and discussing evolution here before as many of you know I just can't be bothered right now.

But that's just me :/

If enough other posters are interested I'll unlock the thread and we can have at it one more @#$%ing time.

What do you all think?

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[Diemos3211]

I'm with you on this one Fred. Though I haven't really gone through the subject here on P&CA I've gone through it often enough to be tired of it, and to have come to the conclusion that it is largely pointless.

[Dufrel]

I don't really understand why you would lock the thread because you don't want to discuss it.

If that is the case just don't click on the thread.

[sir digalot]

we really have done evolution to death, i mean, we get the people who beleive in it and the ones who beleive in creationism, and neither side budges and in the end it becomes a slagging match..

it is time the evolution threads "evolved" and we got to another topic that is equally hot, but less likely to devolve into name calling.

[penultima thule]

The problem with any evolution debate is that there is no evolution of debate.

:d&r:

[donquixote99]

Locking the thread is a drastic reaction and rather proves Neofascists's point. Evolution's defenders often don't respond like rational scientists discussing alternative explanations. Instead one sees emotional defensiveness: they act offended, and throw tremendous disrespect at the questioners. In other words, rather like religionists encountering blasphemy.

If you don't want to discuss evolution with neofascist, don't. Why the need to lock him down?

[Jayne B]

I agree that locking the thread was a bit drastic.

However, if anyone seriously wants to discuss evolution AGAIN, they should at least google the links to the other couple of long, LONG threads in our archives, on which evolutionists determinedly and, for the most part politely, posted a large number of the many scientific evidences of evolution and scientific, fact-based rebuttals to the pseudo-science beloved of creationists, only to watch creationists change the goalposts and fall back on faith and eventually get huffy because the rational, science-minded types didn't accept biblical sources as 'science'.

THEN, after reading all that, if anyone still thinks there's anything new to be said on the subject, they can resurrect one of those threads and add to it.

Otherwise, why should anyone on the evolution side bother re-creating the wheel for someone too lazy or dogmatic to look up the evidence for themselves?

[toolman846]

I think it, like many a matter of opinion out there, can all be summed up with that old phrase, "Some folks do, and, ah, some don't."

Or "Some feel a paleolithic connection, some don't."

[Jayne B]

'paleolithic connection?'

Is that an erudite way of saying some folks have rocks in their heads?

[Larkin]

I understand your reaction Fred. When I saw this post I was tempted to write something to the effect of "fuck off" since we've had so many of those threads here and they all lead into nothing.

However if people want to discuss it again and waste their time, let them. I say unlock the post and let those who want to waste their time do so.

[donquixote99]

I actually think it's outragous that this thread is locked, but no one ever locked "Was Hitler a Christer?," an even more outrageous proposition by any stanard.

[Fredfredson]

Of which there was, thank the Gods only one.

Had there been 5 or 6, each new one popping up every month or so I suspect they would be locked down as well.

Perhaps what we should do is put a General Chat Thread on Evolution, like the Peak Oil one.

Then when a new Creationist shows up we point him/her at that thread where he/she can read the 100+ posts that we've already waded thru before adding their rehashing for our edification.

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[Neko]

I'm all for people being allowed to play Darwin ping pong if that's how they choose to spend their time, but I think I have a better solution:

Everyone who thinks that creationism is a load of old cobblers, just pretend to agree with it for the sake of an easy life. That's what I'm going to do from now on.

So, congratulations Christians, laeti triumphanti. You've finally worn me down. I'm going to admit now that God made me as I sit here now. I'm sure he's indescribeably proud of his handy-work. A sinner repenteth.

[toolman846]

"Repenteth"? Are you sure about that? I wanna see a dictionary!

[donquixote99]

Perhaps what we should do is put a General Chat Thread on Evolution, like the Peak Oil one.

Relegating a subject to a back forum is a time-honored editorial maneuver, and certainly not as totalitarian as 'locking it on sight.'

[Fredfredson]

Don

It wouldn't be an "editorial maneuver", as in trying to hide it.

The reason the Peak Oil thread is there is to keep all the articles in one place so we can find them. Front page articles and threads slip too fast.

On the Evolution diatribe/debate style threads they have a little 3 or 4 page flury, stop, slip off the front page and then get created all over again when somebody new shows up.

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[GunnyL]

I locked Neo Fascists? thread idea because I'm tired of going through this stuff over and over again.

I've had fun debating and discussing evolution here before as many of you know I just can't be bothered right now.

But that's just me

If enough other posters are interested I'll unlock the thread and we can have at it one more @#$%ing time.

What do you all think?

Since when were you into censorship, Fred? I can understand if two or more threads at one time are the same, but just rehashing an argument?
Those who wish to participate can, and those don't are not required to, but the CHOICE is there. You are pro-choice, aren't you? ;)

[toolman846]

Yeah, we're all pro-choice. We're just anti-bored-to-tears, waste-of-bandwidth-dom.

[GunnyL]

I have no doubt you feel that way, toolman, nor do I believe you are alone in that boat.

My point is this ..... while we, you, they, whoever may have had the debate a hundred times, a new poster is trying to have it for the FIRST time.

There are a lot of topics that could be shitcanned if they are only allowed to be discussed "x" number of times. Abu Ghraib comes to mind. How worn out is THAT? Or abortion, religion, the Second Amendment, or the UN? Or the all-time favorite, myriad "Bush is Liar Because ......" threads?

Anyway, I'm just tossing in my two cents, not picking a fight.

[toolman846]

Me neither. I'm just picking my nose............. :D

[Fredfredson]

Gunny

I actually wanted a bit of a debate about the repeating pointless nature of the Evolution/Creationsim debate.

Which I got in spades :lol

Interesting responses, no?

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[toolman846]

"Which I got in spades"

Wait just a minute, there, Fred! Is that an ethnic joke? Or are you South today?

[Fredfredson]

Wait just a minute, there, Fred! Is that an ethnic joke? Or are you South today?

:dunno

You not a poker player Jim?

:lol

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[toolman846]

Poke who?

[infinite chaos]

This has come up in the news again - Intelligent Design used to counter Darwins Theory (http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/01/19/evolution.debate.ap/) in a Pennsylvania School. My only problem is there is supposedly an American Constitutional issue here - religion and state.

I'd rather discuss or revive the original threads though locking a thread does smack of abuse of power.

[Sandy]

I am much more interested in having our children learn critical thinking in their classrooms. This means looking to science as well as the bible. Our current Administration is planning on scientific studies on creation which means the kids will not be allowed to debate one aspect over the other.

There is no scientific proof of the bible and that is against the human mind where research on all subjects is necessary. To slam the minds shut on our children is an abomination in itself. My kids went to Christian school for the first 6 years and came home with such nonsense about birth, life and death I had to remove them. It was a highly rated school for the arts, music, theater but way down the line in math and science.

I'm glad I made the discovery before they were taken in my the brainless masses of Christians who are not allowed to discuss many aspects of our life including evolution.

Why do we allow brain screws to be put on our children? I can't remember a time in my 71 years that I didn't believe in evolution and would spent hours of my time reading about it in the Library. I was a Christian at that time and when I saw the reaction to this scientific study I ran from the church as fast as I could. I had no idea until that time that the Christians are not working for the development of our children but simply working for ignorant ill-educated breeders of more Christians.

[Fredfredson]

OK

Sir Digs has started a thread in General Chat and I've added the list of links to the old threads.

Enjoy.

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[elalumno]

The site with no censorship is now censoring.

So you don't like the topic.

So it is a topic that has been discussed many times before.

So have many others, and they have not been locked or moved.

We have multiple threads on the war, social security, the election in Iraq, and on an on.

But those are okay.

but post some allegedly "repetative" thread that a certain mod doesn't like the subject of and censorship is instantaneous.

what :bull

[Zan de Man]

When you were picking your nose Jim, why didn't you pick a prettier one than that?

[sir digalot]

well we will just delete all the threads, that will work :rolleyes

[toolman846]

"When you were picking your nose Jim, why didn't you pick a prettier one than that?"

Well, my friends call me Cyrano, but you can call me Cyr.

A nose by any other name would smell as sweet..............

[toolman846]

Oh, the things I do for pun-dom............. :)

[goddesscon]

Funny... I rarely come into this forum...
I think a sticky on Evolution in General chat is grand...and someone mentioned the old time topics of Abortion...Civil Rights...Ummmm..Gun control...and the like..It's true these topics get rehashed every few months ...some get tired others don't bother clicking on the topics *points at herself*...If I don't care for the topic I do not 1) Open the thread 2) Do not respond ...
Call me a bad admin for not reading absolutely every thread but I just can't be arsed to be honest...
If anyone here wants to start a rehash topic...fine..however, try a site search first see if someone has actually started a thread on it...I know the search is slow but we do have it as an option...
I rarely close down a topic if it appears to be popular ...However, if it starts to digress to nasty personal comments..all of you know I pipe up ..posts will be moved to the X-files...The only poster I will not edit on this site is Daavros...SD knows if I do not like something he has written..I'll tell him..I do not think I have had to edit him but I do say when I think something is not appropriate...*Digressing here*...anyway, I do not lock down threads willy nilly..don't forget people we are trying to keep over 400 registered users happy...
The thread has been reactivated and is open for discussion...
I'll not see you there as it is not my cup of tea...I have my own beliefs and am happy to live peacefully with them :D
Fred...your poll forgot an option...
3) C: Do not care either way...open or close it...
That would have my vote...
Oh and hey peeps..if you want to start stickies on Abortion and Gun Control..I am sure we can accomodate as best as we can...Just search and see if we have discussed it and we can build on the existing threads...there are some great links in the archives and some of the comments on those threads were made by past users as well as current ones...you might learn something from those who have come before you..Aside from that Sir Digga worked hard on that search mod...so USE IT! ;)